пр.1910 - UNIFORM

[DIMMI]

ДАННЫЕ НА 2013 г. (стандартное пополнение) пр.1910 / пр.19100 "Кашалот" - UNIFORM

Атомная глубоководная станция 1 ранга / специальная атомная подводная лодка / глубоководное техническое средство. Проектирование атомных глубоководных станций для выполнения специальных задач начато по Постановлению Совмина СССР 1972 г. о создании автономной атомной глубоководной станции (АГС) пр.1910 "Кашалот" и комплекса пр.1851. Головным исполнителем проектов определено ЦКБ "Волна" Минсудпрома СССР. По пр.1910 главный констркутор - Е.С.Корсуков, заместитель - С.М.Бавилин. Позже приказом министра судостроительной промышленности для проектирования АГС пр.1910 была создана специальная конструкторская группа под руководством Юрия Михайловича Коновалова. В 1974 г. СПМБ Машиностроения и ЦПБ «Волна» объединены в СПМБМ «Малахит», которому и было поручено сопровождение автономной АГС пр.1910 и комплексов пр.1851 и позже пр.1083.

В октябре 1976 г., в соответствии с Приказом Главкома ВМФ СССР, для эксплуатации глубоководных станций, по образцу отряда космонавтов, был сформирован отряд гидронавтов. Кандидаты в отряд должны были: прослужить на ПЛ ВМФ СССР не менее 5 лет, быть членом КПСС и пройти медицинскую комиссию по требованиям, которым должны были соответствовать космонавты. Формирование отряда было начато на территории 39-й бригады сроящихся подводных лодок на улице Римского-Корсакова в Ленинграде. Первым офицером отряда был Платон Александрович Чеботаев, который сформировал отряд и был назначен заместителем командира отряда. Позднее отряду предоставили небольшой городок на Шкиперском протоке, в котором до этого физики исследовали воздействие ядерного излучения на живые организмы. Там отряд просуществовал до 1992 года. В 1979 году в отряд для обучения были набраны 1-й и 2-й экипажи АГС 1-го ранга АС-13 пр.1910. В 1979 г. для базового обслуживания АГС и эксплутации их носителей на Северном флоте в губе Оленья начато формирование 29-й отдельной бригады ПЛ КСФ. В 1980 г. первые гидронавты отряда начали эксплуатацию буксируемого комплекса "Селигер" (источник).

Атомная глубоководная станция АС-33 пр.1910 - UNIFORM. Предположительно 1990-е годы (фото - US NAVY, http://www.dodmedia.osd.mil).

[DIMMI]

интересный поворот... то-то у них такая разница в возрасте...

[DIMMI]

Предположительные проекции ПЛ пр.1910 UNIFORM, пробный вариант (c) 03.04.2011 г., http://militaryrussia.ru

[DIMMI]

Авиабаза дает стране угля... (хоть мелкого, но много)))
Как я понимаю про рисунок - it's a joke

[rambo54]

They carefully handled these pictures ... the center ship is K-403 Kazan laying in front of Zvedzdochka in 2006 (you can see both "uniforms" on google earth - use history layer).
Left and right are "uniforms". The Foto was cut in order to hide the smaller Boats. Even now they take care. The left one is cut exactly at the line where we could see the X-Ray! But your Fotos from Olenya Bay give us a short peep of an "X-Ray" seen in the Hangar just right to another "uniform" :-)

[rambo54]

[rambo54]

Correction: The Boat within the Red Circle is most likely a Paltus (Project 1083.1).
Warefare.ru and FAS website tell us that there are one X-Ray (Project 1851: about 40m / 4m) at present in Severodvinsk (next to an uniform at Zvedzdochka) and two Paltus at Olenya Bay.
If you are playing with the History layer in Google Earth (put it to the recent picture of 25 June 2010) you can see a Paltus in bad Quality.
It is here 69.216789° 33.381200°. The length is about 50-52m. That fits for Paltus.



I added an overlay of severodvinsk to Olenya Bay. Top to Bottom : uniform (ca. 68m) / X-Ray (ca. 40m) / Paltus (ca. 50m)

[Sierra]

Rambo - its a mistake

[DIMMI]

Rambo - its a mistake

Про агрегат около Звездочки много где пишут, что это X-Ray... или ты не про это?

[Sierra]

Машина никакого отношения к БР не имеет...

[DIMMI]

Машина никакого отношения к БР не имеет...

а что такое "БР" - не догоняю после планерок что-то

[Sierra]

Лодка не там и не та.... Я знаком со старпомом был... Бухали вместе...

[rambo54]

Thanks Sierra!
I'm not sure about it and if you have sources then this is convincing.
I can only refer to warfare.ru and some Fleet Books like "Weyer's". The exact number is questionable. One or three X-Rays (40m), one or three Paltus?
But both sources claim one X-Ray (AS-23?) at Zvedzdochka laid up since the late 90ties. The Boat next to the uniform is about 40m - what other type could it be? You can see it in all History Layer images.
On the other hand they claim the Paltus (50 - 60 m) at Olenya Bay - together with two uniforms and the KS-129 Mothership. The Boat over there is hard to figure out as a submarine. But I think it is one (about 50-55m). What Boat could it be? Right in the Base of the uniforms? And it is too small for a uniform (69m)?
Well but maybe I'm totally wrong.
Cheers

[Sierra]

Лодка в Сайда-губе давно... Мертвая, как и многие....

[rambo54]

Лодка в Сайда-губе давно... Мертвая, как и многие....

Could be.
By the way: the Russian Media are very carefully about pictures of these highly specialized boats.
As you can see on Dimmis picture they cut the uniform right at the edge where we could see the X-Ray.
Here is another picture from 2007. Kazan and Delta IV and Oscar II clearly visible...but someone took care not to go to the right corner where we could see the X-Ray

[Sierra]

Это не она

[rambo54]

Although it is not important for me “to fight” for this rather unclear picture I would like to add one other comment.
I stay with that: It is most likely a Paltus.
I have the Identification for all types of Russian Submarines visible on google earth in the history layer.
This ship (or any other ship with 50m) was not visible previously. All of a sudden we see it in the 2010 picture of Olenya Bay. Moreover right in the Base of the Mini-Submarine Station.
Back in the 50ties we had just one other type with 56m length – Quebec class. But they were all retired in 1970. Moreover the Sail of the Quebec sits further aft.
On the 2010 picture we can see a “Big Dot” right on the Bow (maybe a Hatch). This is also visible on Dimmis picture. A small Sail is just aft of it.
They not only take out the two “uniforms” off that floating hall but from time to time also the one or two Paltus. Finally these ships get docked to the bottom of KS-129.



So it is not unlikely to have them on a satellite picture occasionally.

My personal Conclusion is:
1. It is a submarine
2. It is not seen in previous pictures of the North Fleet
3. It is not a scrap boat
4. It is 52m which is not common for any other type of Soviet/Russian submarines except Quebec class
5. It is definitely not a Quebec
6. It is (all of a sudden) visible right in the Base of the Mini-Submarines
7. It has the same position of the Bow-Hatch than on Dimmis picture
8. It is longer than X-Ray (40–42m)
9. It is shorter than uniform (69m)
10.It is Paltus – either comming from a trip with KS-129 or preparing for an underwater ride with KS-129


I respect every other opinion
Cheers

[Sierra]

Блин, ну точно - канадский шпиён, емть...

[DIMMI]

I don't ready to discuss this ... I need more information... sorry

[rambo54]

I don't ready to discuss this ... I need more information... sorry

Well maybe you are right. There are a lack of information about these special ships (dimensions / drawings / Photos are all estimations)
Even the shipyard is not quite clear. Warfare.ru mentioned St.Petersburg and Deepstorm.ru Severodvinsk

Meanwhile there are some rumours about Losharik class.
http://shipbuilding.ru/eng/news/2003/08/20/losharik/

They sent that mysterious boat into the water at Sevmash in Aug 2003 in great secrecy.
Janes refer nearly the same data as for Paltus regaring the outer layout - they say it is NOT Project 210 but 10831K (or 10832) - Paltus would be 1083.1

Here is a Russian Source http://ship.bsu.by/print.aspx?guid=102179
but they show a wrong satellite picture - it show K-222 Papa.
But is is interesting to switch the History Layer in the Period of 2004-2006 at this place 64.574214° 39.794858°
Long time I thought I would see a third uniform in the water and in the floating dock for one and a half year period!
But at that time we had two more uniforms at the entrance of Zvedzdochka. That makes three. In August 2005 we can see another uniform at Olenya. I don't think that they have four of them.
It is hard to measure the length - in the water it sometimes looks somewhat shorter.
But on the picture of 5th May 2006 the boat looks much smaller (55m instead of 70m) - I think this could be another boat visiting the Sevmash Shop 42 (maybe Paltus) or the Losharik sitting very deep into the water so that we don't see the vertical tail.


So yeah..you are right Dimmi....not enough informations....